In Part 1, we discussed the lunacy of redefining marriage. But the real danger in this debate has nothing to do with definitions and marriage, but with what a secular society does to those who disagree with cultural norms and societies norms. As history and modern trends show, America is quickly on the verge of censoring, prosecuting, and persecuting the Church of Jesus Christ.Recent history and other Western cultures have proven one thing, those who stand in the way of pushing homosexuality and other sexual lifestyles forward will be met with legal resistance. I could dedicate an entire website to the persecution of persons who oppose homosexuality and are being charged for hate crimes, hate speech, and even hate thought crimes.
There is one thing one must realize about liberal activists: they don't want anyone to stand in their way. And those who do stand in their way are accused of being hateful and criminals.
Charles Colson has recently discussed this topic at his Breakpoint website. In an article titled, "The Coming Persecution: How Same-Sex 'Marriage' Will Harm Christians," Colson traces the persecution of several persons and groups who are being silenced because they oppose gay marriage.
Some of the examples he gives are:
For instance, a Methodist retreat center recently refused to allow two lesbian couples to use a campground pavilion for a civil union ceremony. The state of New Jersey punished the Methodists by revoking the center’s tax-exempt status—a vindictive attack on the Methodists’ religious liberty.
In Massachusetts, where judges imposed gay marriage a few years ago, Catholic Charities was ordered to accept homosexual couples as candidates for adoption. Rather than comply with an order that would be harmful to children, Catholic Charities closed down its adoption program.
California public schools have been told they must be “gay friendly,” as Roback Morse notes. But it will not stop with public schools. Just north of the border in Quebec, the government told a Mennonite school that it must conform to provincial law regarding curriculum—a curriculum that teaches children that homosexuality is a valid lifestyle. How long will it be before the U.S. government goes after private schools?
Even speaking out against homosexuality can get you fired. Crystal Dixon, an associate vice president at the University of Toledo, was fired after writing an opinion piece in the Toledo Free Press in support of traditional marriage . . . Fired—for exercising her First Amendment rights!
First, let us discuss the name calling. Opponents to homosexuality, transgenderism, and whatever else depraved man can come up with are accused of bigotry, intolerance, and being close-minded. In a postmodern society, such name tags couldn't be a worse indictment. And since opponents are considered bigots and homophobes, they are, therefore, inciting hate.
The problem with this argument should be obvious: to call someone a bigot is bigoted and to call someone intolerant is itself intolerant. This should be obvious from the get-go, but the walking contradiction of the name-calling phenomenon goes unnoticed.

This is an important aspect of the debate. The culture is viewed as being the ones that possess the only form of ethics allowed. If the culture disallows dissenting worldviews access to the public square and debate, that is not intolerant bigotry, that is a breaking from our discriminatory past and a movement to a better society.
This is why homosexuals aim to make homosexuality not a choice, but rather the opposite. This is why millions is spent on research looking for the "gay gene." For if the argument can be made that homosexuality is determined by birth and by our genes, then homosexuality isn't a choice. And if we are born gay, then the fight for homosexual rights can be equaled to that of the fight for racial equality.
In fact, the case has already been made and has so far failed. But don't fret. Scientist are doing all that they can to prove that homosexuality is something we're born with rather than a lifestyle we choose.
And if the culture is convinced that homosexuality is something one is born with, and therefore the homosexual can't help but be gay, then such name calling is appropriate. Like those against equal rights for blacks are referred to as racist, those who are against equal rights for homosexuals are referred to as bigoted homophobes. But until then, words like bigot and intolerant only apply to those who stand against the social evolution of the relativity of truth and ethics.
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Randy -
A couple of points for you here:
First, many of the instances of "religious persecution" raised by Mr. Colson fail to tell the whole story. Consider the Methodists of Ocean City. The pavilion that was denied to a same-sex couple was essentially a public space. It was used for many purposes and the church received a tax break because it was open to the public. The church is free to discriminate as it wishes, but it cannot expect to receive tax relief unless it treats all citizens equally.
In terms of Crystal Dixon's termination, that seems a bit out of hand. I think her thinking is wrong, but I think she's entitled to share her opinions as a private citizen. But I DON'T think her firing represents the beginning of the end of First Amendment rights for churches and people of faith.
Consider these points:
- The Catholic Church refuses to marry divorced people in their churches. It has been that way for a very long time and will continue to be that way.
- Until 1979, the Mormon Church did not allow black men to become priesthood holders. This meant they could not be married in Mormon temples. (Neither can anyone without a "Temple Recommend," for that matter.) If the LDS church could discriminate based on race for all those years and get away with it because they -- rightly -- have the freedom to run their religion and set their rules as they see fit, what has changed? There is merely a new suspect class they can discriminate against.
- Finally, if Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church can shout "God Hates Fags" at military funerals and not be prosecuted, I think the First Amendment is still a safe haven for free expression.
THis posted by an active Methodist and Ocean Grove resident:
I am an active United Methodist and an Ocean Grove homeowner. Let me set the record straight: the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association IS NOT a part of the United Methodist Church. The use of the name is only historic. The OGCMA currently requires its voting trustees to be members of Methodist churches somewhere, but as an organization it is NOT under the jurisdiction of the local Annual Conference (Methodist version of a diocese). It has NO appointed pastor, NO congregation members, pays NO apportionments, has NO UMC buildings. If any of its structures count as churches, it is not through any association with the UMC.
If the building in question actually was a church, it would have been tax-exempt before the "Green Acres" program went into effect.
The OGCMA has allowed many non-religious activities under the roof of the pavilion: art shows, Civil War reenactments, etc. In particular, they have allowed civil weddings performed by the same Deputy Mayor who performed Sunday's "Civil Union" ceremony on the part of the Boardwalk maintained by the fishing club.
Neither of the same-sex couples who requested the use of the pavilion requested a Methodist pastor to perform the ceremony, although I know at least one who would have been available. If they had wanted a religious ceremony, they could have had it in the beautiful old Riverside Church in NYC, or even in the Lutheran Church of the Redeemer on Rt. 33 in Neptune. All they wanted was a civil ceremony in their own town, just as they'd seen so many secular couples before them.
Opposition to what the OGCMA is doing is not only from gays and non-believers, many of us who are straight and Christian believe that what they are doing is wrong for many reasons, not the least of which is that they are committing the SIN of not being hospitable to our neighbors.
They have received state and federal funds in the past, and were declared by a judge in 19 to be a secular organization; therefore eligible for the government funds they were requesting at the time.
From a 1986 New York Times article:
"Last year, in fact, Irwin I. Kimmelman, then the state Attorney General, issued an opinion that the Camp Meeting Association was secular. He said, for example, that because the association had opened the auditorium to public, nondenominational events, such as commencement exercises for Neptune Township High School, it was eligible for state funds. So far, this new eligibility has resulted in a $100,000 appropriation to clean up Wesley Lake, which separates Ocean Grove from Asbury Park (no work has begun yet), and a $250,000 grant toward replacement of the auditorium's one-acre roof. All were obtained by Senator Pallone."
So it seems quite clear to me that the current leadership is trying to have it both ways, accepting money and tax exemptions from the government while using a small portion of the Methodist "Book of Discipline" to deny some Ocean Grove residents their civil rights. From my point of view, I am even more disturbed they are choosing to ignore another part of the Discipline, the part that calls on all Methodists to uphold the civil rights of our gay neighbors: "Certain basic human rights and civil liberties are due all persons. We are committed to supporting those rights and liberties for homosexual persons."
source: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2007/09/state_withdraws_tax_break_for.html
So there really are many different sides to a story??? Glad I read that comment.
Hey Kyle,
It's Evan. I believe you've dismissed a perfectly valid comment that I've made as unintellectual. It seems that in your zealous quest to "be right" or prove your point, you've forgotten the basis of why you are even speaking. I hear a lot of commentary and debate on here. However it's nothing that I can't turn on CNN or FoxNews or any other mainstream source and hear. Should we not, as followers of Christ, be peculiar to the world. And please don't cite Christians in the U.S. as persecuted...we know not the meaning of the word...in fact I think most U.S. Christians crumble at the first hint of persecution. Go ask a Chinese or Iraqi Christian about persecution...we'd be wise to sit at their feet and shut up for a while. Which is what I wanted to ask in all this dialogue. The reason I have trouble getting behind any label (or rather, flat out refuse it) is because the King and Kingdom that we serve is not of this world. It not only worries me to hear your own talk, but that of Christians (liberal, conservative, or whatever) especially in this country. We've whored out to political parties...let's be honest, your talk doesn't differ from that of any other run-of-the-mill Republican out there. Shouldn't we, as imitators of Christ, look different? Remember, God gave Israel a king as a consolation...God's people were never meant to be ruled by worldly powers. They were meant to look different, peculiar, weird. You don't look or sound peculiar Kyle...you sound like a Republican....with some Jesus sprinkled in there. Whose banner do you choose? If Christ, shouldn't your walk and talk reflect Him? Not the banterings of systems of man, empire, and all that Christ has called us out of (literally coitus interuptus...look it up in Revelation).
We've made a marriage of the Cross and the U.S. flag...which I think is a more serious concern to followers of Christ than the marriage between same sex couples.
Your words do not reflect Christ's words that I read in the Gospels. Yours are too narrow, too argumentative, too hostile, too full of arrogance. Remember, it was the "religious", pious, well-educated conservative mainstream that Christ had the harshest words for. On the other hand, he hung out with the prostitutes, beggars, and thieves...he showed compassion and love to them in the MIDST of their sins. Was that just for Jesus? When along the way did it become necessary to adopt the ways of the world to show what Christ did in opposition to those powers?
You cannot serve two masters.
"When we give to God what is God's, there's not much left for Ceaser." --Dorothy Day
To Evan,
I agree with much of what you say, I just don't think that it characterizes my purposes here. I did not intend on calling your comment unintellectual. Rather, I was pointing out that the first comment was unintellectual. Yours had a different purpose. So my apologies.
I affirm that Christians in the US aren't persecuted, especially like those in China and other places. And that is my whole point on this post. If we look at the history of secularism, it always leads to the persecution of dissenting views. Just look at the atheistic and secular regimes in the 20th Century. Freedom is massacred in the name of progress, and I am seeing these trends take place. That is the purpose of this post.
Also, I do not wish to sound like a Republican. For I am a conservative, not a Republican. the reason many of my recent post have sounded like a Republican is because the Democratic party stands in the way of everything our Founding Fathers wanted America to be. That does not mean that Republican's are perfect. They drive me crazy too. However, if we are honest, if we had to pick the least of two evils, I choose to pick Republicans. I have written repeatedly of my distrust of McCain and other Repubilcans, but when I look at the secular left and the dangers it proposes, I shutter with fear.
As always, I appreciate your thoughts and words.
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